dells he say in your presence or any of his staff that caused him trouble with the president of the united states? .. the idea was to show there is a bipartisan, serious national security pic which they felt for young president with no military experience what informed not just campaign people in that circle. it's interesting now the president had gotten way away from man and his national security team are close to visors. c-span: general jones, four-star marine, what did the other millipede for -- people say him? >> guest: they did not like general jones at all. c-span: why? >> guest: they basically said he was a clown and didn't understand what they were doing. c-span: how could you follow -- call a of four-star general a clown? >> guest: i have probably called a four-star general a clown in this interview. c-span: it's easy for people in the military. >> guest: i think this is the attitude -- good to be a navy s.e.a.l. you have to assume such a huge amount of risk and your whole life is one giant gamble, jumping out of planes, deep-sea diving. the craziest stuff. celebrates an attitude